4,029. 10/2/2002

“After September 11, interrogators at the Pentagon and the Central Intelligence Agency wanted to know how far they could go [in terms of coercive interrogation]. [According to the minutes of an October 2, 2002, Counter Resistance Strategy Meeting,] One CIA lawyer [Jonathan Fredman] advised that the definition of torture is ‘basically subject to perception. If the detainee dies, you’re doing it wrong.’ ”

 – Peter Margulies, Law’s Detour, Page 59

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