“[A]t an October 2, 2002, meeting between CIA and military lawyers and military intelligence officials on how to counter the resistance of Guantanamo detainees to military interrogation… A senior CIA lawyer at the meeting, John Fredman, explained that whether harsh interrogation amount to torture ‘is a matter of perception.’ The only sure test for torture is if the detainee died. ‘If the detainees dies you’re doing it wrong,’ Fredman said.”
– “U.S. Official on Terror Interrogation: ‘If the Detainee Dies, You’re Doing it Wrong,'” Daily Mail, June 17, 2008